We had a very pleasant recording with David Brin this last Tuesday, and he gave us permission in the course of that to post for our Citizenry an exclusive draft of a philosophical work he's hashing out at present: "Sixteen Modern Questions About Humanity’s Relationship With its Creator in the Context of an Age of Science," a whopping 60+ page essay that considers such questions as:
What debt or obedience does a "creation" owe to its creator?
Must we be coerced, or bribed, to do what is right?
Are people basically frail, and are ideas intrinsically dangerous?
What is our purpose?
...And 12 more that sound less cool when just written down out of context like that! To access this document, become a PEL Citizen and go to the Free Stuff page. He would appreciate feedback on this from the philosophically educated, so I'll ask that you record any such as comments on this blog post, and I'll point David to it as a big, unorganized mass around when ep. #91 comes out. Needless to say, folks that download this should not repost it anywhere or send it to friends. If you do, your avatar will not be included in the crystal spheres that represent our only shot at immortality and inter-stellar travel!
Regarding our recording with him, as with Owen Flanagan, our guest had so much to say about such a wide range of topics that we found when we were done that a) we had not actually talked about a lot of the philosophical issues involved with his book, and b) we had done much more listening to him than talking ourselves and so wanted to get a little more expressive bang for our 600-page buck.
Also, we were very glad to introduce on the podcast the fabulous Brian Casey, brother of Dylan and of my wife Kim, as a guest participant, and we'd like to hear more from him about Brin (whose books Brian is very familiar with; he's the one who put me onto Startide Rising
So for episode 91, we've planned another call for next Tuesday (with Brian Casey but without David Brin himself), and to help focus our discussion of the ethics and other philosophical issues involved in potentially crazy-ass technological advancement (like genetically engineering other animals to be as smart as we are, creating full artificial intelligence, and putting copies of our minds into computers), we asked our Facebook group and came up with a paper for us all to read by then:
"Why I Want to Be a Posthuman When I Grow Up," by Nick Bostrom, Oxford University (2006). While that is likely all we'll have time to read as a group, I've tried to start listening to some other podcasts related to this topic and scanning the web, so feel free to recommend additional sources for us to look at for this or future related episodes. (OK, realistically, this is the only time we'll get to transhumanism within the foreseeable future... we may well do one on "the singularity" though.) Or, just share your thoughts on this topic by replying to this post (thereby mixing up your replies with those about Brin on religion in an entertaining and possibly serendipitous morass).
-Mark Linsenmayer
phil says
March 3, 2014 at 8:45 amI think in the future you guys should do a few more on transhumanist philosophy, especially in the context of political philosophy (for example the debate around regulation of transhumanist technologies). It is a topic close to my heart, one that is very fertile ground for philosophical examination. It of course relates intimately with existentialist themes, so your recent foray into existentialism provides a good backdrop for it.
Mark Linsenmayer says
March 3, 2014 at 2:19 pmHi, Phil, please elaborate: how is this related to existentialism. Do you have any additional reading recommendations? I’m honestly a little at a loss re. this and other “contemporary ethics” issues; it’s not what we tend to cover on the podcast, and I’m not convinced that we’ll have all that much interesting/unique to add to the debates, so I’d appreciate any insights you may have.
dmf says
March 3, 2014 at 6:29 pmwhat is a transhumanist technology and who is regulating them (or not)?
MikeE says
March 26, 2014 at 7:15 pmI think that ‘transhuman’ is a bit of a misnomer. Any tools that we have created, in a way,
make us trans (beyond?) human. e.g. stone tools, writing implements and spectacles.
Somebody like Stephen Hawking would be a good example of what is more commonly meant
by the term, and apparently someone is trying to develop a brain implant device that could allow
him to continue communicating as allegedly he has lost his previous ability to do so. I heard,
somewhere, that this was already done but I can’t confirm this. I also heard that such was needed
due to him losing the use of his fingers, but elsewhere I’ve read that he communicated somehow
by eye movements. Regardless, such technology is quite beneficial and certainly improves
medical science but I don’t think we lose our humanity through any of it.
One of the better philosophers who are into this is Max More, and I particularly liked this talk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWILNddsatA
Some other non-philosophers have some good ideas, such as Steve Omohundro and Peter
Diamandis, but I have a little personal trouble dealing with the likes of Ray Kurzweil and
even Michio Kaku, the former being a little too optimistic regarding things like immortality and
the latter somewhat misrepresenting the implications of research and development.
As a last word, I have to say that I am bewildered when I hear some of the advocates state their
beliefs that if their brains were fully scanned and copied to a machine, with their useless (cough)
human bodies then disposed of, then this new replicant would then be them as long as it
contained all their memories, personality, etc.
My own sense of personal identity totally disagrees.
I suppose it is just the Star Trek transporter problem all over again.