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Ep. 191: Conceptual Schemes: Donald Davidson & Rudolf Carnap (Part Two)

June 4, 2018 by Mark Linsenmayer 2 Comments

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Finishing Davidson's "On the Very Idea of a Conceptual Scheme" (1974) and moving on to Carnap's "Empiricism, Semantics, and Ontology" (1950).

Carnap's paper comes 22 years after his Aufbau project that we covered in ep. 67, and is really a response to Quine's 1948 paper "On What There Is," which we covered in ep. 66. His point is that when we use a certain vocabulary, whether talking about physical objects ("the thing language") or mathematical objects or subatomic particles or whatever, we're not really (contra Quine) making metaphysical claims. So ontological questions like "Are there really numbers?" are just pretentious and don't really make sense. The vocabulary of mathematics involves numbers, so within that linguistic framework (that scheme), yes, of course there are numbers, but the question of whether, outside of a particular framework, "numbers exist," is a pseudo-question. (Bertrand Russell, for one, worried about this, trying to reduce numbers to sets, which he found less metaphysically problematic.)

So even though the Carnap was written well before Davidson's paper, we can take it as a potential response: A conceptual scheme is most sensibly construed as a domain-specific vocabulary. I can talk about the same social phenomena, for instance, in terms of bio-anthropology, sociology, or theologically (as the interplay of souls), and there's no clear reason why all the words in each vocabulary need to be reducible or translatable into words from the other vocabularies. Now, there might be other reasons why you'd want to reject the use altogether of some vocabulary (I'm looking at you, theology!), but it's not clear that we need to reject it merely on grounds of untranslatability, and this sort of theory-specific untranslatability is what Kuhnians (maybe) and others are talking about.

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  1. dmf says

    June 14, 2018 at 8:31 am

    thanks to the guys and guest for these bits of Davidson, this might be of interest:
    http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2018/06/donald-davidsons-copy-of-ryles-the-concept-of-mind.html

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  2. Mark Denil says

    July 4, 2018 at 6:13 pm

    The discussion, especially in part one, but in part 2 as well, kept circling back to holding up “the world” as a singular yardstick against which all potential or proposed schemes could be problematically tested. This assumption of and problematic ‘real word” is unsound. Certainly, the proposal of an alien being encountered by a human is a useful scenario: how is it that the human would, first, recognize the alien as a being, and, next, recognize any signalling the alien might do as attempts at communication? Both could easily be outside any scheme for being or communication available to the human. This line was, however, dropped quite quickly in the discussion. Going back to the sensible world, however, we already have variant, un-translatable (or not fully translatable) schemes for describing sensible differences. One example is light (or EMR in general), which can be usefully characterized as either a particle or as a wave, but not as both at once. Nether can the schemes be translated. A wave scheme usefully explains how tuning a radio works, but not the mechanics of color photography. Other examples can be found.

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