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What is pop culture? Does it make sense to distinguish it from high culture, or can something be both?
Your PEL host Mark Linsenmayer is joined by actor/musician Erica Spyres (a recent PEL guest), and sci-fi writer/linguist Brian Hirt (of the Constellary Tales podcast) in this first attempt at a conversation together for this new podcast that will cover films, TV, novels, games, music, comedy, theater, and more. This one features a special appearance by our editor Tyler Hislop (a prolific rapper who’s appeared on Nakedly Examined Music.
We touch on opera, The Beatles, Fortnite, 50 Shades of Grey, reality TV, and more.
Some of the articles we bring up in our discussion are:
- “The Long War Between Highbrow and Lowbrow” by Noah Berlatsky from the Pacific Standard (2017).
- “Pop Culture’s Progress Toward Tragedy” by Titus Techera from the National Review (2019).
Read more about the 1895 silent film that featured a train coming right out of the screen, sending people screaming in terror. Here’s more about the opening of Stravinsky’s “Rite of Spring” at which spectators rioted.
Related PEL episodes: 137 on Pierre Bourdieu about the tastes of social classes, and 193 on liberal education and the idea of a “canon” of essential, high-culture works.
The opening music is by Mark (guitars, cellos, djembe) and Erica (violins). Our logo is by Ken Gerber (Brian’s brother, who did the PEL and NEM logos), with episode-specific customization by Brian.
The ending song was written by Mark just for this episode. It’s called “High Rollin’ Cult,” and features Erica on violin and harmonies.
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On Pretty Much Pop, a philosopher, an actor, and a sci-fi writer (often with entertainment industry guests) talk about media and how we consume it: TV, film, music, novels, games, comics, comedy, theater, podcasts, and more. Most of what (other) people like is pretty weird when you think about it, so thinking about it is what we do.

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