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We talk with Ned about a second Blockheads (2019) article, Michael Tye's “Homunculi Heads and Silicon Chips: The Importance of History to Phenomenology," which provides a variation off of the David Chalmers fading qualia argument (see our ep. 222), plus Ned's Blockheads response "Fading Qualia: A Response to Michael Tye."
Ned thinks that someone really could be radically wrong about our phenomenology (like the mid-point case between a qualia-free robot and a normal human who nonetheless displays behavior including verbal reports and beliefs identical to a normal human) and as evidence, points to people with neurological problems who claim to have certain experiences but clearly are not. He uses the "swamp person" (actually reflected in Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, incidentally) example to argue against Tye's claim that to be conscious, a creature needs to have a certain history (as opposed to just a certain structure).
After Ned leaves us, Mark, Seth, Dylan, and Wes continue exploring the details uncovered by our interview. What's the relationship of Ned's breed of materialism to a very fine-grained materialism? After all, being "matter" is actually still a structural property; even being a certain type of molecule is ultimately structural. Plus, we evaluate Ned's claim that insects probably don't have qualia. We consider potential future directions for reading prompted by our Blockheads reading and consider the need for philosophers to know about and speak to current brain science.
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Charles Crawford says
Interesting discussion, although at this point of bashing away at ‘consciousness’ it seems like you’re merely making the rubble bounce!
It usually seems to me that because you tend to gloss over the basic step of agreeing at the outset what counts as making sense (and not making sense) on the subject concerned, much of the discussion is at confusing cross-purposes…
You might like to check out this robust and detailed attack on the key Nagel idea that ‘what it is like to be a bat’ is in any way a useful way to look at consciousness, or indeed an intelligible idea in the first place!