Pretty Much Pop #58: “TAYLOR SWIFT RULES!” (Conversation with a Swiftie)

Prompted by the release of new album Folklore and the 2020 documentary Miss Americana, Mark, Erica, and Brian speak with guest Amber Padgett about her love of Taylor, ranking the albums/eras, Taylor as songwriter/puppetmaster, why the hate, weird levels of fan engagement, double standards in expectations for female artists, and more. Like all of our discussions, this one is should be interesting to fans, haters, and folks who’re just curious as to what all the fuss is about.

A few of the sources we scanned to prepare:

Amber recommends Taylor’s Tiny Desk ConcertWatch Erica and Drew cover “Exile.” Here’s that album of Ryan Adams’ 1989 covers that Erica mentions. And yes, we’re open to a comparable Beyoncé episode if we can find a guest super-fan and listeners want more of this kind of thing.

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  1. I enjoyed learning what all of the fuss is about, and while I have enjoyed her songs that happen my way I don’t think I’ll ever be a Swiftie. Every time someone said Swiftie I couldn’t help thinking of “get schwifty” from Rick and Morty.

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